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	<title>Comments on: Go Green, Lose the Yellow Pages</title>
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		<title>By: Bruce Colthart Creative (@bccreative)</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Colthart Creative (@bccreative)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 22:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great comments; they really expand the topic beyond the scope of this blog post. My first inclination when reading the post was to jump on the &quot;facts&quot; about resources consumed to make paper. But as KenC illustrated, that veers us from the [some might say obvious] point that Yellow Pages are truly wasteful for what they are (unlike other large books that are designed to have all their pages viewed), and must benefit very few advertisers. I like the whole opt-in/out issue –I already busted my new snowblower on a &quot;complimentary&quot; and log-sized Sunday paper I didn&#039;t ask for!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great comments; they really expand the topic beyond the scope of this blog post. My first inclination when reading the post was to jump on the &#8220;facts&#8221; about resources consumed to make paper. But as KenC illustrated, that veers us from the [some might say obvious] point that Yellow Pages are truly wasteful for what they are (unlike other large books that are designed to have all their pages viewed), and must benefit very few advertisers. I like the whole opt-in/out issue –I already busted my new snowblower on a &#8220;complimentary&#8221; and log-sized Sunday paper I didn&#8217;t ask for!</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We recently had our end of the year budget meeting and while most will think we are cutting back because of &quot;hard times&quot; that is far from the truth.  This past year was actually one of our best yet but we went over what was and wasn&#039;t working for us.  The yellow pages was one of those things that wasn&#039;t plus as a company that provides new media services we felt it best not to support a business model that hasn&#039;t brought us any income plus I&#039;m amazed at the waste that goes into the process of putting these huge directories out. Even if they do use recycled paper the plants that produce them use power and the means of delivery also burns needless fuel.  I can understand why some segments of our population still may need them but I say give us an option of at least opting out.

If you would like to read the article I wrote about our budget considerations the link is right here.

http://www.spinningsilkmultimedia.com/creativity-and-innovation-in-a-budget-meeting/

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Patricks last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spinningsilkmultimedia.com/what-questions-bring-about-innovation-and-growth/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What questions bring about innovation and growth?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We recently had our end of the year budget meeting and while most will think we are cutting back because of &#8220;hard times&#8221; that is far from the truth.  This past year was actually one of our best yet but we went over what was and wasn&#8217;t working for us.  The yellow pages was one of those things that wasn&#8217;t plus as a company that provides new media services we felt it best not to support a business model that hasn&#8217;t brought us any income plus I&#8217;m amazed at the waste that goes into the process of putting these huge directories out. Even if they do use recycled paper the plants that produce them use power and the means of delivery also burns needless fuel.  I can understand why some segments of our population still may need them but I say give us an option of at least opting out.</p>
<p>If you would like to read the article I wrote about our budget considerations the link is right here.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spinningsilkmultimedia.com/creativity-and-innovation-in-a-budget-meeting/" rel="nofollow">http://www.spinningsilkmultimedia.com/creativity-and-innovation-in-a-budget-meeting/</a></p>
<p><abbr><em>Patricks last blog post..<a href="http://www.spinningsilkmultimedia.com/what-questions-bring-about-innovation-and-growth/" rel="nofollow">What questions bring about innovation and growth?</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Jon McLeod</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon McLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 01:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and great replies!  I own a business that many people would consider a waste of fuel - mobile billboards.  (I am in the process of converting to WVO).  I can tell you that of all the business owners I know that advertise in the YP&#039;s, the response is terrible.  A maid service told me he spends on average $250 to generate a new client.  His closing ratio is 25% for internet leads and 80% for YP leads.  Sounds great for YP, right?  Well - when you figure he has been scammed into upgrading his ad each year and is now paying $1290/month for his ad, and that ad (1/4 page full color) generates 1 measley call per month!  The effectiveness of YP is terrible.  I can&#039;t ever justfy suggesting to a client to spend $1290/month on an ad that each adult in my community will have a once/year chance of seeing his ad.  And what if the ONE TIME the adults pick the book up they are looking for a service that begins with a different letter?  With all due respect Ken, your arguements are very weak.  There are many, many better ways to spend your money...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and great replies!  I own a business that many people would consider a waste of fuel &#8211; mobile billboards.  (I am in the process of converting to WVO).  I can tell you that of all the business owners I know that advertise in the YP&#8217;s, the response is terrible.  A maid service told me he spends on average $250 to generate a new client.  His closing ratio is 25% for internet leads and 80% for YP leads.  Sounds great for YP, right?  Well &#8211; when you figure he has been scammed into upgrading his ad each year and is now paying $1290/month for his ad, and that ad (1/4 page full color) generates 1 measley call per month!  The effectiveness of YP is terrible.  I can&#8217;t ever justfy suggesting to a client to spend $1290/month on an ad that each adult in my community will have a once/year chance of seeing his ad.  And what if the ONE TIME the adults pick the book up they are looking for a service that begins with a different letter?  With all due respect Ken, your arguements are very weak.  There are many, many better ways to spend your money&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: olivier blanchard</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>olivier blanchard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No kidding. I haven&#039;t cracked a phone book in four years.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;olivier blanchards last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://thebrandbuilder.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/why-no-successful-business-is-an-island/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why no successful business is an island.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No kidding. I haven&#8217;t cracked a phone book in four years.</p>
<p><abbr><em>olivier blanchards last blog post..<a href="http://thebrandbuilder.wordpress.com/2008/12/09/why-no-successful-business-is-an-island/" rel="nofollow">Why no successful business is an island.</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Cholbi</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Cholbi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would love to see a national (or even state-by-state) No Phone Book lists, where consumers can opt out of receiving books they know they won&#039;t use. Thanks so much for providing the links to the petitions.

I see why the YP industry would fight such a proposal; their ad revenue depends on being able to boast huge circulation numbers. Unfortunately for them, the internet has permanently changed this model, and they would be better off finding new (possibly online) revenue streams than fighting to preserve a dying model.

If the YP publishers don&#039;t believe this, I&#039;d suggest they talk to the RIAA or any major music label for a first-hand report on how a profitable business can be completely destroyed in a few short years, and how exploring new business ideas wins out over fighting a defensive battle.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Wendy Cholbis last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/YourWebCoaches/~3/478487248/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Climbing to the Top of Your Small-Business Tree&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would love to see a national (or even state-by-state) No Phone Book lists, where consumers can opt out of receiving books they know they won&#8217;t use. Thanks so much for providing the links to the petitions.</p>
<p>I see why the YP industry would fight such a proposal; their ad revenue depends on being able to boast huge circulation numbers. Unfortunately for them, the internet has permanently changed this model, and they would be better off finding new (possibly online) revenue streams than fighting to preserve a dying model.</p>
<p>If the YP publishers don&#8217;t believe this, I&#8217;d suggest they talk to the RIAA or any major music label for a first-hand report on how a profitable business can be completely destroyed in a few short years, and how exploring new business ideas wins out over fighting a defensive battle.</p>
<p><abbr><em>Wendy Cholbis last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/YourWebCoaches/~3/478487248/" rel="nofollow">Climbing to the Top of Your Small-Business Tree</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: nullvariable</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>nullvariable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 20:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike I understand what you&#039;re saying but eventually you won&#039;t get bad results like that on the internet. I&#039;m not asking for phone books to be banned, I&#039;m asking for people that don&#039;t use them to be able to opt-out. I have a friend who says he uses his phone book frequently but he gets 6 of them from different companies and only ever uses one to find what he needs. Its a waste and companies that advertise in the YP need to be very careful instead of just assuming that they&#039;re going to lose business by not being listed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike I understand what you&#8217;re saying but eventually you won&#8217;t get bad results like that on the internet. I&#8217;m not asking for phone books to be banned, I&#8217;m asking for people that don&#8217;t use them to be able to opt-out. I have a friend who says he uses his phone book frequently but he gets 6 of them from different companies and only ever uses one to find what he needs. Its a waste and companies that advertise in the YP need to be very careful instead of just assuming that they&#8217;re going to lose business by not being listed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MikeF</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-175</link>
		<dc:creator>MikeF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 13:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to use google just yesterday to find my local doctor to make an appointment.  After over 10 minutes and 2 disconnected phone numbers coming up I opened my local phone book and made the call.  I have tried to make the switch at times but find it very cumbersome.  If I have the time to fiddle around and look for a while eventually I can find what I am looking for on the internet but man is it a pain in the neck.  If you really want to save paper, please go after the pounds of junk mail we get each and every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to use google just yesterday to find my local doctor to make an appointment.  After over 10 minutes and 2 disconnected phone numbers coming up I opened my local phone book and made the call.  I have tried to make the switch at times but find it very cumbersome.  If I have the time to fiddle around and look for a while eventually I can find what I am looking for on the internet but man is it a pain in the neck.  If you really want to save paper, please go after the pounds of junk mail we get each and every day.</p>
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		<title>By: nullvariable</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator>nullvariable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@kenc Regarding Mr Gates, you will see that not only did I accurately quote him I also linked to the transcript. Not only do you not provide this, you misquote him as saying &lt;blockquote&gt;And of most interest: In five years, the number of people consulting the printed Yellow Pages will drop to &quot;near zero.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt; You&#039;ve dug a bit of a hole here since what he really said is that people under 50 won&#039;t be using phone books in 5 years. I would tend to agree or suggest that number be around 90% at least. 

Have you tried to use a metro area phone book lately? They&#039;re stinking huge...I&#039;d rather use a cell phone or a computer to look up what I need without trying to use a monstrosity that would take me forever to locate info I can find in a few seconds online. Only reason I would ever use a phone book is if the relevant information wasn&#039;t available online. In most cases a business that&#039;s not professional enough to have an online presence isn&#039;t worth my time or I&#039;ve heard about it through word-of-mouth.

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Did you know that better than a coupon I can find daily/weekly specials and discounts tailored directly to me online? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Did you know that better than a map, I can look up directions directly to a business online? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Did you know that when I am making a buying decision I research what friends, family and neighbors on the internet have to say about a product or service, not who has the most expensive YP ad? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Did you know I can find government information that is more up-to-date and easier to navigate online?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt; Did you know that 55% of American&#039;s have broadband? Not really anything special required there... Even more have cell phones... could you imagine carrying around a phone book that weighs nearly 4 pounds with a cell phone that weighs 4 ounces? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;
The only time I&#039;ll ever use a phone book is if I have no cell phone and I&#039;m at a phone booth or a business and have to borrow a phone. 

Did you know, according to Google, iPhone users perform more than 50x the number of searches that other cell phone users do? With Apple gaining market share and even a rumor of a $99 iPhone I&#039;ve no clue why anyone would bother to use a phone book... http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/04/apple-to-sell-a-99-4gb-iphone-at-walmart/

Another point, a phone book may not require any power to operate but how much electricity is put into manufacturing it? 

&lt;strong&gt;All I want is for my readers to consider the costs and the direction of the markets. You seem to want people to cling to old and dying technology. &lt;/strong&gt; While phone books still serve some purposes and some segments of the population they are a dying technology. They can&#039;t keep pace with the instant updates and easy searching that the Internet can provide. I&#039;m merely encouraging the push towards the future instead of wasting time (and natural resources) in dragging our feet to get there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@kenc Regarding Mr Gates, you will see that not only did I accurately quote him I also linked to the transcript. Not only do you not provide this, you misquote him as saying<br />
<blockquote>And of most interest: In five years, the number of people consulting the printed Yellow Pages will drop to &#8220;near zero.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p> You&#8217;ve dug a bit of a hole here since what he really said is that people under 50 won&#8217;t be using phone books in 5 years. I would tend to agree or suggest that number be around 90% at least. </p>
<p>Have you tried to use a metro area phone book lately? They&#8217;re stinking huge&#8230;I&#8217;d rather use a cell phone or a computer to look up what I need without trying to use a monstrosity that would take me forever to locate info I can find in a few seconds online. Only reason I would ever use a phone book is if the relevant information wasn&#8217;t available online. In most cases a business that&#8217;s not professional enough to have an online presence isn&#8217;t worth my time or I&#8217;ve heard about it through word-of-mouth.</p>
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<li>Did you know that better than a coupon I can find daily/weekly specials and discounts tailored directly to me online? </li>
<li>Did you know that better than a map, I can look up directions directly to a business online? </li>
<li>Did you know that when I am making a buying decision I research what friends, family and neighbors on the internet have to say about a product or service, not who has the most expensive YP ad? </li>
<li>Did you know I can find government information that is more up-to-date and easier to navigate online?</li>
<li> Did you know that 55% of American&#8217;s have broadband? Not really anything special required there&#8230; Even more have cell phones&#8230; could you imagine carrying around a phone book that weighs nearly 4 pounds with a cell phone that weighs 4 ounces? </li>
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<p>The only time I&#8217;ll ever use a phone book is if I have no cell phone and I&#8217;m at a phone booth or a business and have to borrow a phone. </p>
<p>Did you know, according to Google, iPhone users perform more than 50x the number of searches that other cell phone users do? With Apple gaining market share and even a rumor of a $99 iPhone I&#8217;ve no clue why anyone would bother to use a phone book&#8230; <a href="http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/04/apple-to-sell-a-99-4gb-iphone-at-walmart/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/12/04/apple-to-sell-a-99-4gb-iphone-at-walmart/</a></p>
<p>Another point, a phone book may not require any power to operate but how much electricity is put into manufacturing it? </p>
<p><strong>All I want is for my readers to consider the costs and the direction of the markets. You seem to want people to cling to old and dying technology. </strong> While phone books still serve some purposes and some segments of the population they are a dying technology. They can&#8217;t keep pace with the instant updates and easy searching that the Internet can provide. I&#8217;m merely encouraging the push towards the future instead of wasting time (and natural resources) in dragging our feet to get there.</p>
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		<title>By: Freddy J. Nager, Atomic Tango</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-169</link>
		<dc:creator>Freddy J. Nager, Atomic Tango</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 03:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I touched on this topic just a couple of months ago. Kenc (aka Ken Clark) responded to my post, too, with his nonsense about something not being waste if it&#039;s made of recycled materials.

Here&#039;s my complete article, which also talks about how the Yellow Pages and other industries manipulate their statistics to justify their behavior: http://coolrulespronto.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/percentages/

While I sympathize with anyone trying to protect their industry and their jobs, I wish they would put just as much effort into imagining alternatives. (In other words, Ken, stop reading blogs and start brainstorming a future that doesn&#039;t have tons of books being thrown into a landfill.) Whether it&#039;s the Yellow Pages or Chrysler or the music industry, the wailing of the dinosaurs is growing old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I touched on this topic just a couple of months ago. Kenc (aka Ken Clark) responded to my post, too, with his nonsense about something not being waste if it&#8217;s made of recycled materials.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my complete article, which also talks about how the Yellow Pages and other industries manipulate their statistics to justify their behavior: <a href="http://coolrulespronto.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/percentages/" rel="nofollow">http://coolrulespronto.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/percentages/</a></p>
<p>While I sympathize with anyone trying to protect their industry and their jobs, I wish they would put just as much effort into imagining alternatives. (In other words, Ken, stop reading blogs and start brainstorming a future that doesn&#8217;t have tons of books being thrown into a landfill.) Whether it&#8217;s the Yellow Pages or Chrysler or the music industry, the wailing of the dinosaurs is growing old.</p>
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		<title>By: Raider</title>
		<link>http://blog.nullvariable.com/2008/12/green-lose-yellow-pages/comment-page-1/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator>Raider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 00:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kenc,

The main point of the article was that phone books are being wasted. The stats backing up that main thrust may vary depending on the source, but they main point still stands that the paper is wasted. Since phone companies need to buy so much paper, we could even assume that the price of paper is increased because of its being wastefully used.

Certainly, more factors are involved in the paper making process than we have listed. Doug was simplifying the matter because this article was not about making paper; Doug was just drawing attention to the fact that people are wasting this resource. 

Unless you&#039;re into wasting paper after its been made into a phone book, I don&#039;t know why you&#039;d get so exercised about this blog post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kenc,</p>
<p>The main point of the article was that phone books are being wasted. The stats backing up that main thrust may vary depending on the source, but they main point still stands that the paper is wasted. Since phone companies need to buy so much paper, we could even assume that the price of paper is increased because of its being wastefully used.</p>
<p>Certainly, more factors are involved in the paper making process than we have listed. Doug was simplifying the matter because this article was not about making paper; Doug was just drawing attention to the fact that people are wasting this resource. </p>
<p>Unless you&#8217;re into wasting paper after its been made into a phone book, I don&#8217;t know why you&#8217;d get so exercised about this blog post.</p>
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